Treemo.... and Censorship
Posted on Feb 3rd, 2007
by
Cain
I received a message from treemo the other day about having to change my thumbnail pictures on some mixes... and I basically said WTF!?!?
Brent the founder of treemo sent me this message:
Hey Cain
Hope all is well with you. So, here's the deal... I heard Mattstan reached out to you. We've been working hard on the mobile side of our business, and we have landed a big deal - we're going to be linked 'on deck' on Cingular's mobile site. This is a pretty big deal, but comes with some 'conditions.'
The 'phone company' is a bit conservative, so we need to alter our etiquette policy in order to work with them. We're going to publish the full policy in the next couple of weeks, but we need to take it down a notch on overt sexual poses. It's a big deal for Cingular or any of the mobile carriers to embrace 'user generated content' so, in the beginning, its going to a bit stricter in terms of what we can allow.
I totally hear you on censorship, et al, but we will also be opening up the site to an even bigger audience. You might even want to consider making some specialized 30 second mixes - ie, perfect for ringtones for this audience.
I obviously don't want to lose you as a user, but you have to understand our situation. When we have a successful launch with Cingular, it will lead to other carriers and mass adoption of our service.
Thanks for your understanding.
- Brent
and my response:
Brent,
Thank you for the message and while I can appreciate that this is a "big deal" for you and Treemo...
It just seems funny to me that just before you sent your email I was talking to my friend about what I call "Market Facism"... Where a "subtle" censorship happens, and people don't know what they are missing because the "Large Corporations" are dictating what is acceptable and what is not...
Since I found out about Treemo through Zaadz I was hoping that 'yall would have a "more enlightened" attitude on things like this, sadly it turns out to not to be the case, and believe me I am sympathetic to your plight a a new small company trying to "make it"...
However... I have to trust my instincts as an artist, and I really don't give a damn about "the marketplace" as it relates to my music... I just have to be true to what comes fourth as a creative process... I have avoided all "commercial" entanglements when it comes to my music because I know what a slippery slope it can be...
In that vein I have no plans for 30 second mixes, etc...
Thanks for your understanding,
-Cain
Brent the founder of treemo sent me this message:
Hey Cain
Hope all is well with you. So, here's the deal... I heard Mattstan reached out to you. We've been working hard on the mobile side of our business, and we have landed a big deal - we're going to be linked 'on deck' on Cingular's mobile site. This is a pretty big deal, but comes with some 'conditions.'
The 'phone company' is a bit conservative, so we need to alter our etiquette policy in order to work with them. We're going to publish the full policy in the next couple of weeks, but we need to take it down a notch on overt sexual poses. It's a big deal for Cingular or any of the mobile carriers to embrace 'user generated content' so, in the beginning, its going to a bit stricter in terms of what we can allow.
I totally hear you on censorship, et al, but we will also be opening up the site to an even bigger audience. You might even want to consider making some specialized 30 second mixes - ie, perfect for ringtones for this audience.
I obviously don't want to lose you as a user, but you have to understand our situation. When we have a successful launch with Cingular, it will lead to other carriers and mass adoption of our service.
Thanks for your understanding.
- Brent
and my response:
Brent,
Thank you for the message and while I can appreciate that this is a "big deal" for you and Treemo...
It just seems funny to me that just before you sent your email I was talking to my friend about what I call "Market Facism"... Where a "subtle" censorship happens, and people don't know what they are missing because the "Large Corporations" are dictating what is acceptable and what is not...
Since I found out about Treemo through Zaadz I was hoping that 'yall would have a "more enlightened" attitude on things like this, sadly it turns out to not to be the case, and believe me I am sympathetic to your plight a a new small company trying to "make it"...
However... I have to trust my instincts as an artist, and I really don't give a damn about "the marketplace" as it relates to my music... I just have to be true to what comes fourth as a creative process... I have avoided all "commercial" entanglements when it comes to my music because I know what a slippery slope it can be...
In that vein I have no plans for 30 second mixes, etc...
Thanks for your understanding,
-Cain

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Haha. Love the Authenticism:
I have to trust my instincts as an artist, and I really don't give a damn about “the marketplace” as it relates to my music…
To entertain contempt for “the marketplace” is to court obscurity.
If art is communication rather than pointless self-indulgence, then disregard for the audience’s sensibilities is folly. There is such a thing as legitimate expansion of the boundaries of decorum, but there’s also such a thing as perverse opposition to decorum.
Far better to court obscurity, and perversity, than to court “heard stupidity” IMNSHO… But either way “I” don't really have a choice… “I” am only the messenger…
I suspect that you are conscious of your audience when you create but that there’s another issue involved. I respect your not being willing to make some craven submission to an arbitrary limitation.
However, the problem here seems more of an incidental one. Probably there’s nothing in your work that is so outrageous that it couldn’t comfortably be aired in many venues, so to speak. The problem is that this medium (zaads) is serving many purposes. The management has decided that it’s a good idea to find ways to extend accessibility. Whether that’s a good idea or not, it involves compliance with certain standards or norms.
It sucks that what you do got caught up in that. I sympathize. However, community standards of decorum don’t amount to “fascism.” I agree that decorum (depending on how it’s conceived) can result in a certain sterility of atmosphere, but I doubt that’s the case here is all that’s forbidden is “overt sexual poses.” I think you’re also being harsh in citing “herd stupidity,” even though I don’t blame you for being irritated.
I would have stopped writing here, but I watched your brief video. For what it’s worth, I got a better impression of you hearing you speaking than reading what you wrote. Anyway, you said something along the lines of being disappointed by the insubstantiality of exchanges in zaads. I’ll take that as a warrant to make a more substantial reply.
I’m interested by your concept of being “only the messenger.” I think I understand the intuitive nature of art, but art involves perspiration as well as inspiration. Talent is one thing, technique another. In the end, the generative faculty and the critical faculty intertwine, but artists still make calculated choices as well as inspired ones.
I take photographs for fun (a few of which you can see at my site). Much of it is just to make a record of where I’ve been, but some of it is an attempt to capture what I find beautiful. My technique is practically nonexistent, so I depend on my ability to see something beautiful, and to frame it for maximum impact. The identification of that beauty is intuitive, but after that, calculation kicks in. I look for the right angle and distance, I fiddle with the context, etc. These things matter.
Wordsworth described poetry as “the spontaneous overflow of powerful feelings from emotions recollected in tranquility.” He was the messenger of those powerful feelings. His capacity to experience them was his without any effort and he was, so to speak, powerless against them. But the art, the artifice was the molding of the presentation of those feelings in tranquility, a step away from the original ecstacy.