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Posted on Dec 16th, 2006 by Cain : Being Human Cain
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"...You cannot PERSUADE a MYTHIC RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALIST to stop believing in a Mythic God, or the apocalypse, and the narrative of a personal deity, ANYMORE THAN YOU CAN PERSUADE A five year old child to become 27 years old. It's not stupid or wrong to act five years old if you're five years old. It's not a mistake to be five years old. It is, however, wrong to act like a five year old if you're 27, and there is where something more interesting occurs. Because Sam Harris and Richard Dawkings do identify and articulate a very serious problem in our World, but the FAIL to ADMIT it is a developmental problem, not an intellectual one. Their books will do NOTHING TO HELP, because they don't deal with (or even acknowledge) development. Does ANYONE actually believe George Bush can be persuaded his religious beliefs are ludicrous through DISCOURSE? If you believe that, you are more fanciful and deluded than he is. BUT, is it possible George Bush could DEVELOP? That he might grow, expand, and enter into a new perspective? Yes, it is. It happens. Not always, not necessarily, but it does happen. And that is the interesting question. How, why, when do people evolve to higher altitudes of consciousness? Ironically, what ardent Evolutionists and Rationalists miss is that the solution IS EVOLUTION. We must get people to evolve to higher, deeper, more inclusive levels of develeopment. You can't persuade them. You can't convince them. It's not a choice, it's a WORLD VIEW."

-Stuart Davis: "Open Letter to Rational Pundits"


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Morning River  : River
1 day later
Morning River said

Actually, that's my challenge now
I'm thinking I need to do 321 next or something to not be so bothered

I find it hard to exist with - gosh - what's a nice way to say this - er, “less developed” (still doesn't sound nice) once I've got something, I'm just so eager to move on, I feel like, why am I still hanging around here when I could be there at the “next step”now?

I want to hang around people who are at my stage or beyond my stage and keep going “upwards”, keep the movement going

I don't see the point of staying around people who don't get something yet,
like why I am here with them still - even if they are my friends? I hate staying static! Don't they?

How do I exist in the same space and not get mad?
Like, I was telling you, I understand why you got so bloody angry at me sometimes
Now I get really angry too, I don't understand - didn't they just say they wanted to be happy?
Why are they still clinging to misery? Why their self-abuse? It hurts me too! I know they get this!

I want to keep growing, and improving, learning but I'm not looking for “the answers  to Life” in any huge mystic scheme anymore. 

Screw  “the answers”, let's just get down to doing good for the sake of doing good. Life's too short!  But people get offended if I shout that at them and I end up sounding so arrogant. I hate it. I can't get through acting angry and arrogant. I know cause it wasn't the most effective way with me either when I was on it.

But now, God, I can't freaking stand “seekers” anymore, (and yet I was one!)
But come on, to claim to be be still “spiritually seeking” “the grand universal answers” when you're over 30 and yet also stressing the importance of doing your own self work yet prohibiting your own growth by continuing to blame parents you haven't lived with for years for your own shortcomings? I'm so intolerant of shit like that now.  Aren't we supposed to keep evolving or if we're stuck keep that the focus if that's what we're striving for - psychological/spiritual liberation and happiness?   I'm more lenient towards people who aren't into all this self-awareness jazz who aren't their word.   But why be all into Kirtan, alternative health, yadda yadda and say that's what you're aiming for and then not  do it?

My mystical friends ruffle my feathers! Why do I get so frustrated? Should I just let my friends continue to be self destructive and do nothing? But many of them are older than I am!  “…only those people who are absolutely indirect can be of any help. Direct help is from the politician, indirect help is from the sage…” thank  you, Osho, but I don't quite know how to be at peace/act/not act with these strong feelings I have against their still powerful self imposed misery -  because I was there too, once. 

Anna : Manifesting the Dream
3 days later
Anna said

Right on!

Darkchanter : Internalist
3 days later
Darkchanter said

Actually, I think that translation (horizontal health) is more important than transformation (climbing altitudes). There are plenty of perfectly healthy blue (to use Spiral Dynamics) people who are not waging fundamentalist wars and/or acting like self righteous hypocrits.

People don't have some moral obligation to evolve, they have a moral obligation not to damage others. And no damage is caused at any level of development by people who are psychologically healthy at that stage.

about 1 year later
resmc said

Sometimes it's so hard to appreciate unhealthy instances of any level, or at least realize there's not much that can be done. Yet, as Darkchanter so aptly pointed out, it's important for us (collectively, since this involves our shared society) to find ways to prevent people from harming others with their unhealthy variations of their current stage … perhaps spending time balancing out our culture to bring emphasis to a tier-2-ish view on ethics and the internal health of our world community might awaken some consciences (as long, of course, as it's kept in healthy relation with the other quadrants).

Cain : Being Human
about 1 year later
Cain said

While Not ignoring the imporantce of horzontal health. I think we may be at a point in history where it MAY BE a moral obligation to evolve, because it will be the ONLY way we survive togther on this little blue world…

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